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I have made my last trip to Winstar Casino in Thackerville in Oklahoma. I have played blackjack for 30 years all over the country, but never at the Indian Casinos. I have won and lost, and admit to being somewhat of a sore loser. I have come to the conclusion you simply cannot win there. When I sit at a table, eventually everybody ends up disgusted from losing over and over and leave. It seems like know one wins. I wander if there are any former pit bosses from Vegas that work there and through their years of experience can see that something is just not right. It is uncanny how many blackjacks, aces up in a row that the dealers get. They crack me up when they put on what seems to be an act that they are so suprised by all their blackjacks, standing 20's, and hitting and not busting. I wish I had kept statistics on the percentage of hands I win. What I am sure of is that I can play 75-150 hands and maybe win three hands in a row during that stretch of playing. I can play 50 hands and never see a two-card 20 until the dealer has the samething. It does not matter if I am playing at a table with six decks or tables where they re-shuffle once they get through about two decks.
I cannnot go there and even play a leisurely game at the $5.00 minimum table. We just seem to lose and lose and lose. I want to repeat that I am a very experienced player, aware of bad streaks and the possibility of losing 10,15 or more hands in a row. But this is rediculous. I wrote the gaming commission, but I am already aware of the setup in Oklahoma and know it will fall upon deaf ears.
Could the machines be set up where once 'card-rich' hands that lean towards the house began to be shuffled into the machines in away that really increase the houses chance of winning. I play almost 99% by the mathmatics of the game.
i truly believe that one day it will be proven that somehow those shuffling machines are rigged.
Not one more .50 cent ante from me. I am done.

The machines can be programmed for different games. That's enough to keep me away. Why risk it'

The notion that for a blackjack game to be rigged by the order of the cards is not as ridiculous as someone might think. And I'll explain why:
If you notice, the casinos that are the hardest to beat are the ones that makes sure the tables are full all the time, even if they have to close as many tables as possible to make that happen they will. The theory in this is that the more people playing then more hands are in play for the house which means the more money. But with an auto shuffler, this would make sure that if cards of similar values (highs and lows) are grouped tighter together, then they would produce more stiff hands across the table. Remember, it doesn't matter if the dealer gets a bad hand as long as the players get them also, it's still in his advantage. with a full table it is easier to create bad hands by clumping more cards together, and I'm not talking just highs and lows, add the neutrals in the mix. And you think well, that means I have an idea of what card I might get? No, you don't, that's the beauty of it.
So lets see what happens if a new shoe comes out, is cut and then 5 of the six people get up and leave only one to play. Again it doesn't matter, because you're at no advantage to the dealer with a pretty even count all the way through.
My solution is for everyone to just refuse to play anything but a hand shuffled shoe. Even if it means going elsewhere to play. That way, we all know what we are presented with.

Those are just a few excerpts from the most informative post that I have ever read.
It very much describes my recent stiff hand marathon experience at two AZ casinos.
In both casinos the cards were only auto shuffled.
Never again.

I don't think dealers properly shuffle the cards, especially in poker games

Game protection seems to be weak for live poker. You can see many cards being flashed before a shuffle and during the game. Could be huge if you know a Queen is on the bottom of the deck.

I'm sure most of you guys know this but the shuffle machines have been 'tracked' successfully (even thought he algorythms have since been fixed) AND shuffling machines can be counted.
It is not a very high +EV game. There are two large advantages though.....
1) Nobody will question you if you spread 20 units or larger as 'it is a shuffle machine, nobody can beat it'
2) The technique is not very well proven but it is incredibly easy.
I don't think you could make a living from it but you could enjoy a few hands and spread your bets without worrying about heat?
I'm not sure if this is reallyw aht this thread is about, I just thought I would give my penny's worth :)

You are confusing CSM with ASM.
CSM: Continuous Shuffling Machine. Continuously shuffles the cards as they are played, yielding a game that is impossible (or highly unprofitable) to count, since it's effectively a game with half a deck or so penetration (depending on how long the dealer lets the discards pile up).
ASM: Automatic Shuffling Machine. Automates the process of shuffling a full 6-deck shoe (or 4-deck, or 2-deck, or whatever). Resultant shuffled cards are placed into the shoe and dealt like normal, to a preset cut card. Just as countable as a traditional hand-shuffled game, but not shuffle-trackable for the 'advanced' APs.
Most of this thread is about ASMs and the possibility that they are 'stacking' the deck in favor of the house via any number of nefarious, and yet unproven schemes.

I worked at shufflemaster for several years. The shufflers are not nor can they be rigged. I had all of the internal passwords to set up the software, firmware, etc. and there is nothing there that can be altered to gain advantage either way. They are exactly as u see them.

I haven't run all the way back through the thread, but it's one that has interested me before, and I thought this was worth bringing forward. It was posted more than 2 years ago.

I haven't run all the way back through the thread, but it's one that has interested me before, and I thought this was worth bringing forward. It was posted more than 2 years ago.

No. It's a paranoid myth that causes casinos to have to offer shoe games to customers who do not trust machines. So casinos can't get rid of the counters because these paranoid people draw conclusions with no reason, yet casinos will not educate the public cuz they don't want a bunch of professors at the gambling table. Machines are sometimes preceived as rigged because there is no manual shuffling; therefore, people lose X dollars in less time at a machine than at a shoe game.

No. It's a paranoid myth that causes casinos to have to offer shoe games to customers who do not trust machines. So casinos can't get rid of the counters because these paranoid people draw conclusions with no reason, yet casinos will not educate the public cuz they don't want a bunch of professors at the gambling table. Machines are sometimes preceived as rigged because there is no manual shuffling; therefore, people lose X dollars in less time at a machine than at a shoe game.

I'm not sure that you and I are talking about the same thing. In reference to whether the SHFL machines sort hands to benefit the house (the OP), and only on that question, someone with a fair amount of knowledge weighed in. I, perhaps in error, did not read the entire thread before bringing this information forward, which is why I made the comment I did. No other reference to where it has gone in the present is intended.
Now having read the entire thread, I think it is pertinent to the discussion still, but you appear to be addressing a different point of that same discussion.

You are confusing CSM with ASM.
CSM: Continuous Shuffling Machine. Continuously shuffles the cards as they are played, yielding a game that is impossible (or highly unprofitable) to count, since it's effectively a game with half a deck or so penetration (depending on how long the dealer lets the discards pile up).
ASM: Automatic Shuffling Machine. Automates the process of shuffling a full 6-deck shoe (or 4-deck, or 2-deck, or whatever). Resultant shuffled cards are placed into the shoe and dealt like normal, to a preset cut card. Just as countable as a traditional hand-shuffled game, but not shuffle-trackable for the 'advanced' APs.
Most of this thread is about ASMs and the possibility that they are 'stacking' the deck in favor of the house via any number of nefarious, and yet unproven schemes.

I am most certainly not cunfusing the two, in fact I know both very, very well.
There was a case a few years back in Macau where a gentleman of South African decent (I believe he was a musician) managed to track how the cards would come out in a CSM (Continuous shuffling machine) by listening to the machines internal workings. He apparetnly practiced at home (he had one) for a while and managed to find out how the sequencing of cards went with that particular brand of CSM. He figured out that, due to a defect with the algorythms of the shuffle machine, the same two cards always preceeded the dealing of an ACE. He sat in first base and when he knew the first card dealt would be an ACE he would increase his bet. Obviously this gives him a substantial advantage over the game.
He was caught but he didn't cheat, he was simply a skilled AP.

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SHFL has in the interim recalled those shufflers and fixed the faulty algorythm.
Also CSM's can be counted too.............
In closing I know what an ASM is as well, they save the casino on time and motion issues but i have never seen one shuffle in a way that would stack the deck either for the house or against the house, then again I have not yet investigated all brands and all types.
I do have a little bit of experience in this field you know :)

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